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you are live in the cnn newsroom, i am anna cabrera in new york. the person who caught the fbi's eye prompting the special counsel investigation. george papadopoulos was drinking with a diplomat back in 2016 when he revealed that russia had dirt on hillary clinton. this came after the conversation. papadopoulos wound up pleading guilty and he lied to the fbi. two months after that conversation when the dnc
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e-mails were leaked, australian officials told u.s. officials about that conversation with papadopoulos. this news indicate that additional intelligence separate from that dossier that this new information may have raised concerns for the fbi. i want to go to sarah at west palm beach where the president is on vacation today. >> reporter: in the past they are dismissed papadopoulos in the past saying he's playing no significant role. ty cobb said this, we are not commenting on matters such as this. we are continuing to fully cooperate with the special counsel in order to help complete their in query
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expeditionly. president trump went out of his way to say 16 times there is no collusion. it does present problems potentially for the white house. papadopoulos he's in a nuance role than a low level volunteer staffer, papadopoulos helps facilitate a meeting which means trump and the egyptian president met, something outside of the scope of the low level volunteer staff or a coffee boy as some of the president's adviser would dismiss him. so this is problematic. >> sarah murray, thank you. >> here is part of our conversation. >> this sort of helps fit a big
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piece of the puzzle, the narrative of 2016, why did the fbi gets so concerned about trump and potential russian contacts that cause them to launch the investigation, this was a key piece. do we know why australians wa waited two whole months to tell their counter partner about this conversation? >> we don't. >> that's one question we'll continue to report out. >> it is possible that the australian, who's the top diplomat in the u.k. heard the information, it was not considered urgent until two months later when we saw e-mails spilling out publicly that were damaging to hillary clinton's campaign specifically of the dnc e-mails. after that, it became clear that it was what papadopoulos was talking about and they put two and two together and urgently going to the united states and
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speculations and it is possible. >> what did the fbi do after they got the information from austria. >> what's reported and spoken of by senior officials that in late july of 2016, the fbi open the counter investigation looking at what is behind this sbintelligee of contacts between the trump campaign and russians. it did not go full tilt for some time. this is a month before the election and there was concern of the fbi about a full-blown investigation coloring the political sort of climate of the time a month before the election, i recall there was a time there was concern that trump may not accept the result of the election.
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so there is a real debate inside the fbi. >> did you get a sense of how they did not know how to approach their investigation and wondering how aggressive to go in following up on these tips? >> yes, there was such a debate. again, what is reported before is that the former british spy who puts the dossier together have gone through the contact of his who worked with the fbi in rome. this was earlier in the summer. it did not appear that the fbi took that information and provided seriously until later in the summer, early fall. as reported in our story today, it was until october when fbi agents went over to europe to interview steel. there was a real lag time and there did seem to be some period when the fbi was not, was doing an investigation but they were not doing everything they could
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do. >> because the time is crucial. i want to make sure we understand the order of all of this. did the fbi start their investigation before they knew about the steel dossier? >> we do think that at least one fbi agent knew about information that steel provided. we believe that he provided that early to the agent in rome. we had multiple sources who have confirmed that it was papadopoulos information together with the hacked e-mail and possibly other sources that launched the fbi investigation. it was not the steel information. >> did they tell you that point-blank that the dossier had nothing to do with the investigation? >> yes, they did. >> i want to get to perspective
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now in all of this from our panel, joining us, paul callan and white house correspondent, sarah westwood. i will start with you, is this going to collusion? >> that's the question. when we talk about collusion, collusion is not a crime in the criminal statute, its got to be a conspiracy among two or more people to violate u.s. laws. mueller is establishing a lot of meetings about the russians and getting dirt on hillary clinton. that was not criminal unless part of the meeting involved legali illegality. i think there is a lot of evidence of contact between the
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russian as and the trump campai. >> knowing of the e-mail that the russians had. >> that's not collusion. the second step is to show that you use those meetings to violate u.s. laws. now you have a criminal case that would implicate people and send them to jail. i don't see it on the basis of what we know so far though. >> sarah, obviously, there is been a lot of messaging recently, especially republicans trying to tarnish the credibility of the special counsel's team. did it make it harder for the white house and republicans. it all started because of a dossier. >> that was the number one government that gop lawmakers
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had. now we are learning that it was someone bragging about dirt from russians within the trump campaign that may have tipped the fbi off to potential collusion on the trump campaign. i think it takes a lot of the wind out of the sail of gop investigators. this is a celebrate conversation between whether mueller made pure decisions regarding the staffing of his team and political leanings of investigators. certainly, talking about the investigation, i think this report definitely does under mind the crediblility of that republican. >> why did you think agents waited until 2017 to actually interview papadopoulos and they of course, did not actually release this latest information in the plea deal until very recently, what took so long? >> to your point, the way that
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investigation works, the last thing that you want to do in that investigation after you gather everything else is actually interview either target or an accomplice or accessory to the crime. you want to leave that to the last piece. that makes sense as far as the time line goes. i got to give it to the new york times. what it does is, it bolsters those folks that were upset of the fact that the dossier is discredited. so if there were other pieces of that application, which there were and this was one of them, it does make more sense into my colleague callan here, my only issue is we have process crimes.
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normally you have somebody pleading out to an under line scheme. once they plead perjury, it is not impossible but difficult to use them as a witness that could go up there now and speaking to the scheme because they pled to lying. i don't know if there is anything else that papadopoulos pled guilty to that or michael flynn could bring to this because it is the biggest thing they pled to or the biggest crime they involved in. >> the fact that now we know and investigators have this information as far back as july 2015, 18 months later or so have not concluded there was corporation in a criminal way between the trump campaign and russia, this that good news for the white house. >> when you look at what mueller has done so far. he's got all his ducks in a row. he's gone after flynn and manafort and papadopoulos to a rumor where he was wired.
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he's questioned people close to the president. he's really done a thorough work up. you would think that he would have be close to making his case if there is a case to be made. all i am seeing is, yes, they had contacts with the russians and maybe it is an embarrassing thing that they did. politically, look horrible for the white house, i am not saying that criminal connection except james was talking about which is lying to the fbi. that's always a crime. telling a lie to the investig e investigators and obstruction of justice and not the under line crime. they're investigating an attempted tamper with the american election in a criminal way. they have not made the link to that yet. >> lets rewind and lets listen to what the white house said about papadopoulos when the indictment was unsealed. >> can you explain george
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papadopoulos' role. >> it was limited and it was a volunteer position. no activities was done on behalf of the campaign. >> now, this report claims that papadopoulos set up a meeting between trump and the president of egypt two months before the election. does that sound like a volunteer or coffee boy adviser? >> it turns out some of them or if not all of them were not paid for their work. there was a lot of regret surrounding the creation of that advisory panel, remember that capacity of which carter also serves on the campaign. someone reported to be under government surveillance. he invited a lot of scrutiny of the campaign contact as well. there is a regret of forming the panel in the first place.
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most people did not heard of papadopoulos until summer or fall. she was not a major part of the campaign. he is certainly playing a larger role than a coffee boy. i don't think his plea deal reflected on the white house. he was never someone who was that important within trump's orbit. >> we are hearing from this report that he apparently edited the president's foreign policy speech as a candidate back in april of 2017. that's one more peg involvement of the campaign. >> james, i am curious to get details of papadopoulos' revelation that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton came during a night of heavy drinking. >> no, i don't think that impacts the credibility. again, these are all pieces, as paul mentions earlier, these are all pieces lead investigators
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coming to the conclusion. the process and chronology of this is working the way it should work. i think it is important to know and i think in the times article, there is not yet any e-mail discovered showed that papadopoulos actually made an outreach to the campaign. hey, i got access to these e-mails and i can give it to you. to make it a crime, that would have to happen and there should be some direction from the campaign to okay, go ahead and get those e-mails publish those e-mails and release it and that's what it will take it into the criminal room. that's different from a criminal investigation. >> thank you all for being with us. >> sarah westwood. >> james guilano, we appreciate it. >> breaking news out of iran. president trump warning iran today the world is watching. stay right there. ♪
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breaking news out of iran. cnn is working to confirm that these protests have turned deadly. so far the official death count is zero. reports from the ground trickling out on social media in a different story. across the country people are finding safety in numbers more and more city. joining this movement, demonstrations are shouting. we have videos showing hundreds or if not thousands are cheering as the picture of iran's leader is torn. back here in the u.s., president trump is weighing in, warning around the world is watching.
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nick robertson has more. >> one of the things that makes these different of what we saw in 2009. these protests and some of them are targeted and bringing down supreme leader in iran. i have pictures calling for his overthr overthrow. this is something different and this is something that the regime is taking differently. it appears to show injured people being carried away from protests, another one appears to show a young man on a hospital shot right through his abdomen. these videos are yet to be confirmed. if we think back of those big protests in 2009. many indicators of how big and damaging those protests and how heavy handed thing came from
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social media. we heard from government officials teheran people are going out protesting and not realizing there is as hidden hand behind the protests and push back against president trump's tweets saying the world is watching, the people of iran should be able to express their democratic will freely. they should be able to do that. we heard from the vice president of iran, the first vice president saying protester protesters -- they began with an economic trust of rising inflation and unemployment. he's saying that the government must tackle these economic issues but at the same time, he says that anyone who's trying to damage the government through the protest must be identified immediately. there is no doubt that the government is taking these protest in a very, very concern way. >> nick robertson.
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cities across the u.s. is ramping up security and in new york police are setting barricades, patrolling tourist attractions and hotels. joining us now, the former new york homeland security, thank you, michael, for joining us. we had two attacks in u.s. in the last two months, how will these events impact security at times square? >> so it reconfirms the unfortunate truth that new york city continues to be a target of
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the radical attacks from isis and al-qaida inspired. don't forget there is a bombing in chelsea the year prior. this event in itself, new year's eve, all the troopers and police, these are individuals and agencies that are very, very experienced in this type of event and in some way, it is actually kind of an easier event because you know it is going to happen and the way to handle these big security events is to preparations and resource applications and controlling the area and illuminating surprises. they have written the book literally on how to security new york city. >> in vegas attack, we had a shooter from above, how can the city be prepared for something like that. >> what we have done is study
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what the secret service does when they go in executive protection for the president. what they try to do is take what they call sideline where they take a look of what the high vantage point could be and they have sniper counter positions taking a look at all the surrounding areas, in addition to what it is done beforehand, whether it is talking to people who run the hotels to say as you lead up to an event this magnitude, see something or say something is the phrase that people use. people running in hotel been involved in new year celebrations beforehand. people who are playing coalose d as far as people --
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>> new year's eve ball dropping at times square. what obstacles could the weather create? >> well, obviously, in terms of the crowd size, you would anticipate it being less of a crowd. no matter what the temperatures are in times square and it presents a bit of a challenge in terms of the bulky clothing that people wear. if you have been in the city when this happens, you see that all the regulars are kind of a lack of a better phrase, they're pins, there is a lot of checking. the person you are sitting next to having a great time maybe a police officer under cover. they have rapid response capabilities. they also take away some of the unknown elements. they'll close down typical subw subway sites so you don't have
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somebody from the last minute coming up of the last minute where an individual is able to bring up weapon. remember, new york city with a lot of cities these days have a tremendous network of surveillance cameras. that's tied into again, this rapid response capabilities. >> michael balboni. thank you very much, happy new year in advance. >> andy cohen and cooper anderson ringing in the new year. >> it is not your imagination, some of the older model of iphones from a couple years ago did get slower. apple is not only apologizing but they are facing a class action lawsuit because of it. >> apple is calling this a misunderstanding. that's the word they are using and even though they are not
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welcome back, if the white house is hoping for a quiet new year, breaking news may have thrown their plans. a tip from australian intelligence official about george papadopoulos may have pushed officials to open here investigation into their campaign. scott jennings, i will start with you, this new york times report says that papadopoulos told an australian diplomat of may of 2016 that russians had
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dirt on hillary clinton. do you believe he would tell a foreign diplomat but not his own campaign. >> everything we learned about him shows us how stupid this guy really was. he should never work this campaign. he clearly lied to the fbi which when he's been convicted of and he had no place in a professionalized operation. the trump campaign in the early part of 2016 did not have the kind of structure and place to weed out the george papadopoulos. i do think it is important to remember though. it says direct quote, he was not central to the day-to-day campaign and our own legal analyst, the case have not been made that the conspiracy exists to break federal law here. but, that's no excuse. they failed a basic presidential campaign staffing and dritried
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google the people at your front door claiming to be something they are not. >> jonathan, what are your thoughts on that? >> let me start on wishing you a happy new year and agreeing with scott on a couple of things. the trump campaign shows it is in disser ray certainly when it comes to staffing people and people don't know how to run the agency are supposed to be doing so. that was something that was part of the if you will character of the campaign back in 2016. i will say this, austria and i think people know this has a close relationship of the united states beintelligence, there is national agency pine gaps. and so i take, there is a lot of credibility in what the new york time story reporting about the
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e-mails and papadopoulos' role. i will say though and i have said it many months and this is something i do agree with scott about of the connection between papadopoulos who i think was looking out for his own interests and donald trump and in some way the whole story is yet to be made. the new york time story is important. >> i want to pivot to other political news, lets talk about the president's tweet this past week of the arctic chill in the east coast. i saw your tweet, scott, earlier of how cold it was in kentucky. in the east he writes, it could be the coldest new year's eve in record. bundle up, obviously, he's complaining of climate change, some have said that his attitude towards climate change is help driving young voters away from the republican party.
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>> that's an interesting point. i am not sure of a voting issue of that magnitude. it is something to pay attention to. i do think here in kentucky, we know something about when it is cold, what heats our homes are coal. i think what he's doing in his tweet is poking a little fun. i think the president is trying to get a ride out of the left wing. if you go back to the democratic primary, it hurt hillary clinton and cold country. >> i got a push back and he was trying to get a ride. i don't mean to interrupt you and stor sorry to stepping on y. this is a president who called climate change a hoax, this is a repetitive, i guess way that he
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goes before he was president and continued since he has been president of the policies that's implemented by the epa, his administrator there reenforced that this is his reposition. if i can jump in. this shows how this man is, he knows nothing about policy or the real world and nothing that does not affect him directly in terms of his bank account and ego. >> this is not an important issue and especially anna, as you pointed out to young voters, it is absurd. we are in some way blaming donald trump too much in the following way. this is the position of the republican party as a whole. they are as a whole climate change and it is one reason that millennials and young people are in drones leaving the republican
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party, not just because of donald trump but millennials and younger people believe in science and they understand climate change israe real. >> you don't have to have an all or nothing here. you can also believe that we don't have to go so far over board with government regulations that it destroys the economy. i think that's what a lot of people in cold country were talking about in the last election. the democratic party's position is lets get rid of all coal, that's going to rec the economy. that was a real voting issue for people. why cannot we strike a balance between climb change and reasonable regulations. >> i will say this. it is not true that over regulation on climate change would hurt. most studies that are about -- >> it destroys kentucky coal and the obama coal regulations - >> scott, that's not true. coal is declined from all sorts of marks and had nothing to do
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with regulations. cole coal is declining because of market sources and other forms of energy. let me finish the point that i want to say. actually, the chinese are doing this all around the world. if we move aggressively to adjust climate change, it would help the economy in terms of the jobs that were created in solar that the chinese are beating the crap out of us especially in africa. >> gentleman, got to leave it there. early happy new year. >> you, too. >> thank you. >> many faces of the me too moveme movement. he says even with the unlikely person could have a story to share. hear his, next.
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you are in the "cnn newsroom," welcome back, as we talk about another #metoo story. i am talking about james guliano, you see him here on our news before. thank you for the courage to come forward. tell us what happened to you. >> well, anna, thank you for having me. this is not what you and i would
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discuss. story is important not because it involved me necessarily. i have not mentioned this and from the perspective of i just thought and i was not a victim because i had parents that were a support system for me and i had a lot of people and including the school system and it worked for me. far too many cases it does not work for people and people are disbelieved or people are heckled or mocked or people who are marginalized. in my situation, everything worked correctly and i was 12 years old or 13 years old and it was in the late '70s. the most important story is to highlight this problem in the country and the world. the proliferation of these instances and incidents that happen and people just move past them or were they suppress them or keeping themepressed, you
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adopt think it occurs to everyone. i am a army ranger and a s.w.a.t. team leader and i look like an unlikely person to be in this situation. >> you were just 12 or 13 though, us with itwas it a teac proposition you? >> it was the teacher. the late 1970s, i grew up in the deep south. eighth to twelve grade was high school in the area i live in. and it was a teacher and it was somebody that i had placed a lot of trust and confidence in and somebody that broke that kind of sacred bond between scholar and student and taking me under his wing and made me filled my head with these ideas of how wonderful i was and then started sharing some things with me that were inappropriate which led to
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an invitation of come back to his place which never happened because again, i was lucky enough to share it with my sister who said i needed to discuss this with my parents and i went through my parents and my parents went to the principal and the school and that led to the hearing that i wrote about in my peace. >> y piece. >> i ended up in the court system which not where a lot of these stories end up. i am curious for you to get your take in terms of how difficult it was. the fact the matter is, you felt guilty coming forward at the time. >> again, ana, i want to make sure that the system works for me. i am not in the same kind of position as people that have been subjected to, you know,
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physical abuse or subjected to continued harassment. my situation was not about that. i was a young and impressionable child at the time. again, luckily i was blessed to have two great parents insisted that we pursued this. if you don't do this, as uncomfortable as it is going to be. if you don't do this, somebody else, younger and somebody else vulnerable and weaker could be impacted and that resonated with me and i don't know if that's the only thing that led me to wanting to join law enforcement and make that a profession. it was the thought process to me that there are people that are vulnerable out there that could be taken advantage of. my parents insisted that we pursue it and the school system set up a deposition of a county
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attorney. i had to be grilled not just by the county attorney but by the accused attorney as well at this deposition with him sitting directly across the table from me. >> how do you create a workplace and what would be your advice for people who have their own operations, i mean it does not matter where it is and how do you get people comfortable coming forward. we see so many people coming forward decades later. >> ana, it goes to the same thing you and i were talking about as far as making sure on the counter terrorism front, making shower when you see something, you say something. in this realm, it is the same thing. if thest in the past, i come from macho background whether it is the
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army or the forces, stepping up and making sure that folks that are in male dominated industries understand that it is absolutely unacceptable whether it is hollywood or whether it is business or where ever it is, we need to make sure that people stand up for each other and make sure it is not tolerated. >> james gagliano again, thank you very much for sharing your story. >> ana, thank you for having me. you are in the "cnn newsroom," i am anna cabrera. thank you for staying with me. the center of today's report, this man, this is george papadopoulos, how do you know him? he's the


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